Name one thing positive islam has given humanity?

[Hickman]

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A letter to Mr. Nadir Ahmed
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Dear Mr. Sina,

After reading parts of your debate with this fellow Mr. Nadir Ahmed, I sent him an email, that I think you should get a copy too. I appreciate if I see this writing on your site,


Dear Mr. Nadir,

I am an impartial reader that reads everything with open mind, but then looks around for evidence. I have been following your debates with several people as they are mentioned in your site. As I read these items, I cannot help but looking around me and regardless of what you or others say, make my own judgment.

Whether Quran is a miracle or not, or whether Mohammad was a profit from God or not can not be decided by debate, obviously, each one says what they want and declare victory, as both of you and other fellow have done. Word is cheap and needs no capital, it is the results that prove who is right and who is not.

What can not be escaped from is reality. It is reality that can not be escaped or covered up. It is reality that decides who is right and who is wrong, not words or debates.

Fact and reality is Islam has given nothing to the world but poverty, war, misery. Look around yourself and decide, wherever Islam is dominant, there is poverty, lack of progress and misery, Look around yourself and see in every conflict of the world, one side is Islam.
Do you know of one, only one Moslem person in 20th century that has done something positive for humanity? A good doctor, a good scientist, a good entertainer, a good sports person, a good writer, a good invention, etc, etc etc.

From all these scientific progress of the last 200 years, which one was done by a Moslem? And there is 1.2 Billion of them in the world, with the greatest wealth that anyone can imagine. Why do you think that is? If Quran is a miracle, why it leads its followers to such a misery and backwardness?

If Mohammad is a true super human as Moslems claim him to be, why is that his followers are among the most back warded, poverty stricken, miserable peoples in the world? Among 1.2 billion followers of him, why is that not even one of them enjoys freedom? The ones that come closest to it are the ones that are under occupation !! by Israel, and that does not bother you?

You can spend hours and hours of your time playing with words, and debating what has or has not happened 1400 years ago, but don’t take a moment of your time and look around yourself, look at every Moslem country and think why is that these people are among the most under progressed peoples of the world, if it was not for the “infidels”, the entire 1.2 billion members of Islam can not make even one vial of antibiotics, or one headache pill, and that does not bother you?

And you are happy that you caught Mr. so and so lying about a story that occurred 1400 years ago, and keep comfort in proving that Mohammad did not say this or that, and devil is in translation? Isn’t that enough of ignorance, and isn’t it better to start thinking.

I be honest with you, if I belonged to a huge community of 1.2 billion with access to all the natural resources that mind can imagine, and still live in poverty and misery, and still be behind in every aspect of life, I would not waste my time debating anyone, instead, I would be thinking of what can I do to get out of so much shame.

Whatever Mohammad said or did, does not matter, it was 1400 years ago, those that still think like him blindly are the ones to blame, since they are 1400 years behind everyone else. Whether Quran is a miracle or not and whether Mohammad was a great leader or not, must be clear as sun shine for whoever that thinks, just look at the results. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Massoud Mortazavi,

Los Angeles, Ca,

www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MassoudMortazavi50909.htm

[Hickman]

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[shadow=red,left,300]Every time I Read a Muslim Letter I Want to Puke. [/shadow]
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From:
"medicamen" <[e-mail]>

Date:
Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:49:00 +0400


Dear Ali Sina,
Hi,

Every time i go into your site, there is always hatred against muslims. You always highlight what muslims do but never highlight what non mulims are doing in muslim countries.How many innocent muslims are being killed by American bombings in Afganistan and Irag , Russians killing chechnaya muslim, human right violations in Kashmir by Indian army.

Being my self a Kashmiri i want to know what is your opinion about the self determination of Kashmiris (for independence from Indian occupation).

Best Regards

Saif Kashmiri

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This is the third email in the last 12 hours I got with exactly the same theme and virtually this is the main message of all the Muslims.

First of all America is not killing anywhere any civilians on purpose. They went to Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, Kuwait, Panama, Japan, Germany and two dozens other places in the last fifty years, not to occupy or kill civilians, but to set them free from tyrannical rulers. How much hatred one must have for not seeing this simple fact that America is not killing people but freeing them? When you keep repeating and repeating this nonsense, do you think it will eventually make people doubt? No! You are only fooling your selves.

In Afghanistan it is the Muslims who used to mutilate, torture and kill innocent people with the authority of Islam, see these images: www.rawa.org/gallery.html Unfortunately these barbarities continue because the Islamic mindset of the Afghans is not changed. This is the fault of America for not realizing that the real enemy is Islam and the Taliban were just the symptom of this disease.

Americans brought democracy to these oppressed people, gave freedom to their women, allowed them to elect their own government and have their country ruled by law and not by goons.

In Iraq it was Saddam and his Ba’th party who killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, massacred, the Kurds and Shiites and killed them with poisonous gasses. It was he to attacked Iran and Kuwait killing over a million people. See these pictures. www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

America is not there to get the Iraqi oil. America has expended billions of dollars and sacrificed 2000 lives of its own daughters and sons to free Iraq. Now Iraq has its own government that is elected by the Iraqis. They run their own country. They are the ones who have asked the American army to remain and help them fight the terrorist insurgents who do not want democracy, who like to have all the power to themselves by force and by disregarding the vote of other citizens.

Things in Iraq are not rosy because Iraqis are Muslims and Islam and democracy are not compatible. Iraq will revert to chaos not because of America but because Muslims are incapable of ruling themselves democratically. They want to be ruled like animals, with sticks. They don't know what is democracy and how to apply it. They can't think straight because they are Muslims.

Americans are not killing civilians and children as Muslims lie to incite hate. Muslims are liars by nature. Muslims are the followers of Satan and they lie instinctively. They blatantly and shamelessly lie the way Muhammad instructed them to do. Children and civilians are caught in the cross fire and have been killed accidentally by American bullets, but also Americans and Canadians have been killed accidentally by American bullets. These are unfortunate accidents that have to do with human error. Americans do everything humanely possible to avoid civilian casualties.

In Abu Ghraib, some prison guards abused their power and humiliated the terrorists who were their prisoners. This is nothing compared to what Iranian mullahs or Saddam did to people. Yet no Muslim uttered a word of protest for what these Muslim thugs did to other Muslims. However, everywhere Muslims were up in arms to defend the “honor” of Islam when a few terrorists were shown with their naked butts in Abu Ghraib. What a stupidity! The abuse in Abu Ghraib, even though it was nothing compared to what Muslims do to each other, was not ordered from above. It was an abuse and the abusers were prosecuted and jailed. Some of them received 16 years jail terms. That in my view was exaggeration. They should have been just expelled from military. But since this was a military court, the sentencing was extremely harsh. Americans punished the abusers of Abu Ghraib severely. So how can America be guilty? In Iran. like in many Islamic countries thugs and criminals rule the state. In America the abusers are punished. Muslim terrorists murder innocent people on daily basis and most Muslims applaud it. This is evil. How can’t you see the difference?

Ali Ismaeel Abbas, the 12-year-old child who lost his family and arms in an American air raid was brought to USA and helped by the Americans. He was given Prosthetic arms. This was an unfortunate accident. As terrible as it was, it was still an accident. No one wanted to hurt this child or his parents on purpose. There is a difference between killing people accidentally and killing them maliciously and by detonating bombs in public places. Only Muslims can’t see the difference. With the exception of KKK, Muslims are the only people that do not follow the Golden Rule and mock it.

In Iraq Muslims deliberately bomb the civilians. Sunnis kill the Shiites. They kill the children.

Why you keep your heads in the sand and don’t want to see the truth? Why you insist to fool your selves and die as fools? You go to hell for being fools, for following an evil monster like Muhammad and for letting yourselves to be filled with hatred and lies.

Muslims seem to be all programmed to say the same nonsense over and over without the capacity to think. I want to puke every time I read these idiotic messages.

Now, for the sake of argument, let us suppose that Americans are bad. Let us assume that they went to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill civilians as you brain dead Muslims want to believe. What this has to do with the crimes of Muhammad? In what ways Islam becomes true if America, Israel or any other country is found guilty? As soon as we talk about Muhammad’s genocide Muslims say, Hitler killed more. Does this make Muhammad a saint? If Muhammad killed less than Hitler, does this make him a prophet? As long as you think others are also guilty of crimes you idiots are content that Muhammad was a mass murderer. I accused Muhammad of pedophilia and I had Muslims telling me, "but pedophilia also happens in the West". What insanity! Do the Westerners worship their pedophiles? Do they follow their serial killers? Do they say "peace be upon" our rapists, thieves and assassins? You Muslims worship a monster. How much stupidity is enough?

No, I do not agree with “Self determination” for Muslims anywhere. Not in Kashmir, not in Iran, not in Pakistan, not in Saudi Arabia, not anywhere! Muslims are truly incapable of governing. Once they come to power, they abuse the rest and trample over the rights of others, kill their own people, torment the women, end democracy, torture and kill their critics and engage in mischief like exporting terrorists to other countries. What will happen to the Hindus in Kashmir once the Muslims take over that land? The same that happened in Pakistan and in Bangladesh. They will be abused and persecuted until they are decimated and eventually annihilated. Muslims can’t and must not have self-determination. They must be colonized and ruled with iron fist and gradually educated until they leave Islam and learn to become full humans. Then, once they are no more Muslims, they can run their countries and do anything they want. But by then we are no more talking about Muslims. We are talking about human beings capable of rational thought and deserving of self government. Democracy does not mean the tyranny of the majority. Even Hitler came to power with popular vote. Even Khomeini received the majority of votes when he called for referendum. But neither the Nazi Germany nor Islamic Iran were/are democracies. Muslims must be defeated even though they are majority. Because if they come to power, they establish tyranny, kill people and promote terrorism.

It is not an insult to say Muslims are not humans. Every ex-Muslim including yours truly confesses that we discovered our humanity only after we got rid of the lies of Islam and learned to see all mankind without hate and prejudice. It was then that we stopped seeing people as Muslims and Kaafirs but as people. This was like removing our blinders. It was like lifting a huge load off of our chests. For the first time we saw mankind as one family. Our hearts was light and free from envy or hate. Suddenly we saw others, not as enemies, but as brothers and sisters. Suddenly we saw they do not hate us as we used to think, that all these hatred was originated from our own hearts and stems from the nefarious teachings of Islam.

As long as Muslims are Muslims they do not deserve to be treated in accordance to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Has any Islamic country subscribed to the UDHR? No, they have their own "Islamic Human Rights", which differs from the UDHR and in fact is its antithesis. Muslims must be treated in accordance to the teachings of the Quran. They must be treated the way Quran says non-Muslims should be treated. This is justice. If it’s good medicine, please taste it yourselves too. If you prescribe it to others, please have a gulp of it. I bet this will bring Muslims to their senses, make them sober and they will start leaving Islam in troupes.

I have no time responding to every idiotic message Muslims write. They all repeat the same nonsense. If you have any interest to save your souls and become humans, read this site and keep reading and reading until you see the light. I heard enough of what you have to say. Even before you write it, I know what you are going to write. It is you who have to open your eyes. Don't send me garbage anymore. I have no time reading your nonsense. ;D

Yours truly

Ali Sina

www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50913.htm